Comments on: Cross Browser CSS Min-Height

By: Eoin

Eoin — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:17:20 +0000

We make websites for users, for whom we cannot and have no right to tell to upgrade their browsers. Nor should they have to, but most of all, we have no control over whether they do. The point I was making is that I have seen organisations with 100,000 employees that do not use modern browsers. That means that 100,000 employees cannot necessarily see a IE6 non-compliant site during working hours. That means you’re missing out on traffic.

By: Rodrigo

Rodrigo — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:11:08 +0000

We must remember that we make websites to users, not only to companies.
So, that’s not so simple to only ask to companies’ owners to upgrade their browsers, just to show them the website we did works perfectly, while their clients can’t see it perfectly.

We must reccomend the upgrade, but continue working hard on solutions to make the website appear perfect to users.

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Rodrigo

By: Eoin

Eoin — Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:23:12 +0000

Hold on a second. Just to jump into the debate with Kamal. There are a great many corporations with a heck of a lot of employees. Now all of those employees will have a PC and quite a few of them will use a variety of software and such. Inclusive of websites etc. that they have valid memberships and subscriptions for.

It may be that the IT team is too small to support a browser upgrade, it may be that the IT team is too busy to support a browser upgrade, or it may be that they simply cannot predict what sorts of things will go wrong if they do a browser upgrade, finally, it may be that they are using a website which they have become dependent on and it does not support newer browser, and the vendor is unwilling to upgrade.

It's hardly right to try and force the company you are working for to make your life easier, agreed it would be easier, and education isn't something I have a problem with, if they can update by all means encourage them to change, but you cannot force them.

It is not zombie support it is meeting the demand in your market. If everyone were so educated nobody would be building websites because everyone would know what you guys know. As we support the market, eventually the market will be forced to upgrade, as there will be other companies who do upgrade and take advantage of fantastic new sites that arrive, and leave the other companies in their wake. It is the markets demand we bow to, and it is the market that shall eventually make us happy.

Finally, all the browsers are still operating in slightly different fashions and offering slightly different options. Surely they could all get together and instead of moz this and webkit that they could use one standard variable?

By: Bishram kumar

Bishram kumar — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:13:50 +0000

It’s not working in IE7 and IE8

By: Cordyceps

Cordyceps — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:17:59 +0000

Very nice workaround mate. Very elegant. I think complience is a very important factor you can educate users but only to some degree some would not even know how to upgrade IE, and when usuability matters you have to find a soulution. Thanks you have saved me a few hours.

By: ywal

ywal — Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:02:52 +0000

Don’t think he’s lazy. He just has a different opinion. I think it’s a good idea to drag the users kicking and screaming if necessary to the latest if it’s really the greatest. I also acknowledge that developers must give the people what they want. However, I don’t believe in mindless servitude just because the other guy is too stupid or stubborn to step out of the past. Each person should set their own limits. We should respect those limits and not make derogatory statements just because they might be beyond our own. Our jobs are hard enough so we don’t need to turn on each other. And btw — none of us has all the answers, so a little humility is a good thing.

By: Arnar

Arnar — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:42:05 +0000

Sure, I can be bothered to do the extra work to make websites work on old browsers.

But what I tell my client’s is simply that they are using a browser that is old and very vulnerable to viruses.

What I then tell them is that I recommend that they upgrade but if they persist I tell them that I can make it work but I charge for it, and I charge big for it.

As long as we keep the problem alive we will have to work around it. We can however work on killing the problem. The Icelandic Union for web-designers recently held a funeral for IE 6 and it was decided that all local companies would take the same actions.

And besides only 3% of the average icelandic user uses IE 6 or below. 2 years ago that number was around 20%. I belive that if we would still keep this zombie on life support that number would be around 10-15%.

By: Haddicus

Haddicus — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:30:40 +0000

Totally agree bro… plus there are some devices that only support ie6. I currently am writing a mobile app for my company that requires me to use ie6… so having things out there like this, is helpful. Closed minded people like kamal really irritate me because they live in their own secluded little world where it doesn’t make sense to adapt to an environment, but make the environment adapt to them, and their laziness.

By: Kevin Monk

Kevin Monk — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:52:34 +0000

Money talks!

Given that it takes about 25% longer to do a project with IE6 then just put a surcharge for IE6 compatibility. Suddenly clients seem to care a lot less about IE6 compatibility.

By: zalubom

zalubom — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:56:07 +0000

i tried all the versions in the comments, but they not worked (perfectly) for me.
the only hack that worked perfectly is this:

#container { min-height:500px; } * html #container { height:500px;overflow:visible;}