Comments on: Advanced CSS – Class Is Out – Avoiding Classes By Using Formatting Tags For Structure http://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags Legendary scribbles about JavaScript, HTML5, AJAX, PHP, CSS, and ∞. Mon, 21 May 2012 07:46:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dominichttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-27162 Dominic Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:08:03 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-27162 As said above simplicity is the way to go. Use standard compliant code.For more advanced structure use flash or javascript. As said above simplicity is the way to go. Use standard compliant code.For more advanced structure use flash or javascript.

]]> By: Dominichttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-27161 Dominic Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:02:41 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-27161 I'm fairly new to web design. I've taught myself how to code websites through forums, tutorials, online videos and post such as these. In my opinion about the approach above, using formatting tags for structure is like using tables for structure. Its not a totally bad idea but it isn't standards compliant. 1. you have to format the format tags to work as block level tags such as div and span. 2. format tags should be used for formatting text not layout. 3. if page loading is a concern. structure your codes with standards compliant html and css codes.Media should be optimized for web. avoid hacks and when saving your files for upload dont use spaces. it just makes your file space bigger. There are better methods when faced with structuring a webpage. I’m fairly new to web design. I’ve taught myself how to code websites through forums, tutorials, online videos and post such as these.
In my opinion about the approach above, using formatting tags for structure is like using tables for structure.
Its not a totally bad idea but it isn’t standards compliant. 1. you have to format the format tags to work as block level tags such as div and span. 2. format tags should be used for formatting text not layout. 3. if page loading is a concern. structure your codes with standards compliant html and css codes.Media should be optimized for web. avoid hacks and when saving your files for upload dont use spaces. it just makes your file space bigger. There are better methods when faced with structuring a webpage.

]]> By: suhail khanhttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-23476 suhail khan Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:50:28 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-23476 i have looked at your idea, it is too good but there is one problem is remaining in this style. The problem is that we give our customer browser compatibility till i7 and it would not enough for clients satisfaction it will be better for those designers who want to upgrade themselves in their field i have looked at your idea, it is too good but there is one problem is remaining in this style. The problem is that we give our customer browser compatibility till i7 and it would not enough for clients satisfaction it will be better for those designers who want to upgrade themselves in their field

]]> By: Marionhttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-8314 Marion Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:36:59 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-8314 This is how we used to do it in HTML4! I'd say that any tag used within the tag that is not a container of some kind should be deprecated.I agree with Tufty, it might be different, but it's still a dumb idea This is how we used to do it in HTML4!
I’d say that any tag used within the tag that is not a container of some kind should be deprecated.

I agree with Tufty, it might be different, but it’s still a dumb idea

]]> By: noelbosshttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-61 noelboss Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:03:56 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-61 david, you said "All formatting should be done in the CSS so the tags I used above shouldn't be used."The problem with this statemend: the tags you are using ar not "formating" tags, these are semantic tags... It's about the meaning of the given text, not style. When i use EM, i'd like to differentiate something in the text, because it has a special meaning... (That's exactly why its now EM and not I, EM stands for emphasized, that describes the meaning, instead of I like italic, which described the look of the text). XHTML should always describe the meaning and structure of a text. Isn't this why we use CSS to separate semantic from style? And a text itself again is only the visualisation of what mostly is spoken word. When i say something loud, i'd represent it as text with bold or uppercase letters. In HTML, the analogy to "loud" is "strong". Using this for visually arranging pages is in my opinion like using tables for the same purpose. And that discussion the web already had. I guess, HMLT5 is what you are looking for ;-) david, you said “All formatting should be done in the CSS so the tags I used above shouldn’t be used.”

The problem with this statemend: the tags you are using ar not “formating” tags, these are semantic tags… It’s about the meaning of the given text, not style. When i use EM, i’d like to differentiate something in the text, because it has a special meaning… (That’s exactly why its now EM and not I, EM stands for emphasized, that describes the meaning, instead of I like italic, which described the look of the text). XHTML should always describe the meaning and structure of a text. Isn’t this why we use CSS to separate semantic from style? And a text itself again is only the visualisation of what mostly is spoken word. When i say something loud, i’d represent it as text with bold or uppercase letters. In HTML, the analogy to “loud” is “strong”. Using this for visually arranging pages is in my opinion like using tables for the same purpose. And that discussion the web already had. I guess, HMLT5 is what you are looking for ;-)

]]> By: davidhttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-60 david Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:53:21 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-60 Thank you for commenting Alex! With regards to the font tag, I could just as easily use a different tag.I wouldn't use this for a business project either. Personal-wise, possibly. Thank you for commenting Alex! With regards to the font tag, I could just as easily use a different tag.

I wouldn’t use this for a business project either. Personal-wise, possibly.

]]> By: Alex BIenzhttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-59 Alex BIenz Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:23:59 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-59 The idea is interesting, but semantically it is incorrect and there can be no further discussion on that.Also you're using the font tag which is deprecated in XHTML 1.0 so I'm not even sure it's totally valid.Using div tags with a semantic id is the way to go to mark out _divisions_ in content such as header, navigation and sidebar. The idea is interesting, but semantically it is incorrect and there can be no further discussion on that.

Also you’re using the font tag which is deprecated in XHTML 1.0 so I’m not even sure it’s totally valid.

Using div tags with a semantic id is the way to go to mark out _divisions_ in content such as header, navigation and sidebar.

]]> By: davidwalsh83http://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-58 davidwalsh83 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:40:48 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-58 I knew you'd come around Tufty.I don't use this system of programming either, but it's an idea worth exploring. If you have a large website and you're needing to save bandwidth, this could save you a lot. One line of longer CSS so that you can use short tags on every page -- could save a lot of money.Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I knew you’d come around Tufty.

I don’t use this system of programming either, but it’s an idea worth exploring. If you have a large website and you’re needing to save bandwidth, this could save you a lot. One line of longer CSS so that you can use short tags on every page — could save a lot of money.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

]]> By: Tuftyhttp://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-57 Tufty Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:18:39 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-57 Ok, maybe my initial reaction was a little harsh. That said, I pride myself on producing semantic standards-complaint websites, and I think I _mostly_ achieve that.I can see what you're attempting to do here, and from a given viewpoint, it makes sense. But I think I'll still stick to my method of DIVs with IDs for picking out content block, using classes for grouping related styles, and using the other tags where they make sense to me.But there's no "One Right Way" to build your websites, and if this technique works for you, why not. Ok, maybe my initial reaction was a little harsh. That said, I pride myself on producing semantic standards-complaint websites, and I think I _mostly_ achieve that.

I can see what you’re attempting to do here, and from a given viewpoint, it makes sense. But I think I’ll still stick to my method of DIVs with IDs for picking out content block, using classes for grouping related styles, and using the other tags where they make sense to me.

But there’s no “One Right Way” to build your websites, and if this technique works for you, why not.

]]> By: davidwalsh83http://davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-formatting-tags#comment-56 davidwalsh83 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:41:34 +0000 http://www.davidwalsh.name/advanced-css-class-is-out-avoiding-classes-by-using-formatting-tags-for-structure/#comment-56 Crazy would be a bit much Tufty. Unusual? Maybe. I don't use any of those tags in my programming and I have ~100 customers. "Just a bit bigger" doesn't sound very standardized/organized to me, I'd probably use special formatting on an "h{x}" tag or a "span" tag. All formatting should be done in the CSS so the tags I used above shouldn't be used.Not a dumb idea at all, just different. Crazy would be a bit much Tufty. Unusual? Maybe. I don’t use any of those tags in my programming and I have ~100 customers. “Just a bit bigger” doesn’t sound very standardized/organized to me, I’d probably use special formatting on an “h{x}” tag or a “span” tag. All formatting should be done in the CSS so the tags I used above shouldn’t be used.

Not a dumb idea at all, just different.

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